The MxU Podcast

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Unknown
We need more volunteers. We've all heard the stories like Saturday night trying to find somebody to show up on Sunday. It's like, well, yeah, I need more volunteers. But, like, they're not there, man. I've been in this church for a long time. I know who's in our church.

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Unknown
There's nobody there.

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Unknown
get rid of all the volunteers and just hire people. Yeah. Contract people.

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Unknown
Non-Christians specifically.

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Unknown
How do you go get the the person who does freelance audio in your congregation, but they just do they really want to do the thing they do for a living on Sunday, too?

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Unknown
I can hear I can feel the tension right now for somebody listening to this going – I have no idea how to get more volunteers.

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Unknown
why most tech teams couldn't survive with losing one volunteer is because their whole team is one volunteer. Yeah, they only have one guy. Like any meenie miney mo, you're out. Gosh, that's that's the whole operation.

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Unknown
Yeah. I mean, recently with Jeff, we were talking about most churches, 70 people, whatever. They truly do have one volunteer. It's one guy. So, yeah, we'll just rule out that part of the equation. Truly, you lose one volunteer your operations done because you more realistically, it's probably like a third of your team. Yeah, I don't know any church has just one volunteer.

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Unknown
No, but on tech. On tech specifically, yeah. On tech specifically. Cause like, I know many churches that have like three volunteers. Okay, that's more than one. Yeah, that's why I more realistically said one third. Yeah, yeah. Cuz I mean like, I, I know my in-laws are cowboy church planters. The thing we talked about, the Cowboys cowboy church and I remember every year attending that church and I'm like, I always look back at the tech booth, at the production booth just to see.

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Unknown
And I'm like, they have 4 or 5 people in the production booth, and they're a really small church. Yeah, cause you got somebody to run a lot of cowboy hats. A lot of cowboy hats. You gotta have some booth small, like, Are you talking about how we had such each other? Like. How like, that's. No. You know, it's funny, too, because not

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Unknown
A lot of people wear cowboy hats inside the building. That's not like cowboy culture, okay? You know, it's like. Like when you. When you like culture, when you go to meet somebody, you you take your hat off. Yeah. And then you're indoors. Take your hat off. But like, a lot of cowboy people look like you, honestly, with the pearl stuff and the the hat with the multi chains.

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Unknown
But no, but they have 4 or 5 volunteers. Do they have volunteers to like pick up after the horses like during the service and stuff?

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Unknown
There aren't Amish. They don't riding buggies to church. Just imagine they drive pickup trucks. Okay. So they're not like riding horses to church. No. Again, they're not Amish. They have vehicles. They have really nice trucks. They've drove $150,000 trucks. They're like real cowboys. Not understand. I just need to go sometime. But they do have a rodeo on site, and I'm sure they have volunteers that pick up all that poop after the rodeo.

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Unknown
So there are horses? Oh, yeah, but it's not. They're not riding horses to church. They're not, like, hitched up out. There's one church in the area that has, like, greeting greetings. And they have, like, a horse. They're they're their first impressions team rolling horses. And they have, like, flags and, like, welcoming cars. And they'll ride around in the parking lots and, like, telling people to park.

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Unknown
That's wild. Yeah. But anyways, to go back to that church, I always remember now it's on topic, is they probably have 3 to 5 production volunteers because it's really hard. It'd be really hard to run audio even for a smaller church. Doesn't have a lot of transitions. One speaker or one microphone to manage, you know, one direct box to manage with a guitar player and some keys or whatever that seem that difficult.

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Unknown
But it'd be, I think, for me to be really tough to also hit spacebar for every slide for lyrics. Yeah, and chase with the left hand audio. Yeah, right. So then think about even like a worship team. Like it's not. I don't want to say it requires more skill, but it is harder to. Okay. In your church, you're like, where are the drummers at?

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Unknown
You find a couple drummers and maybe only one of them can play to click. Yeah, you need them to play to click. It's like it's hard to find people for these various positions that we need filled for worship and tech ministry.

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Unknown
And so some churches are like, yeah, I got one drummer and I need him to serve every weekend.

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Unknown
So I ended up paying him because I feel bad, like I need him here.

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Unknown
The only way I can execute, like we've had that conversation a lot. So.

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Unknown
Yeah, most churches I talk to are like one volunteer away from crumbling like one, one volunteer leaving away from crumbling. Yeah. So

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Unknown
how do we fix that?

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Unknown
How do you fix what? How do you how do we fix that? That very real situation we're up against. You need more volunteers. Okay. Right.

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Unknown
Well, yeah, probably. I think that's the only. I mean, if you're the only solution, if I'm $1 away from my bank,

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Unknown
get rid of all the volunteers and just hire people. Yeah. Contract people.

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Unknown
Non-Christians specifically.

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Unknown
I if I'm $1 away. What was funny about that? Y'all both laughter that. Yeah, it was funny. He laughed. I laughed because it was. The delivery was good. Every now and then you have good delivery. If I have $1 my bank account and I lose that $1 and I'm at zero. What is the what is the issue or what is the need?

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Unknown
I need more dollars. Yeah. So that if I do lose a dollar or two, I'm not a zero. That's why I don't know where Dillan’s at. That's why I did this podcast. Is it before you said dollars on the dome? Yeah. So we need more volunteers. We've all heard the stories, like Saturday night trying to find somebody to show up on Sunday.

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Unknown
And it it's like a joke in the community, like, oh, we just constantly trying to fill roles. We. It's not that complicated of an issue. It may be hard, difficult to solve, but like it's not a complex issue. Yeah, you're totally right. It's like just need more dollars, more volunteers, just the import volunteers.

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Unknown
And that's the hard part.

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Unknown
That's a challenging part. I mean, I can hear I can feel the tension right now. Somebody listening is going, I, I have no idea how to get more volunteers.

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Unknown
I have no idea. And for whatever reason, my my spirit right now, I'm, I'm willing to say the first three people that reach out to me listen to this podcast, I will help you get more volunteers.

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Unknown
Yeah. Because it's it's really not that hard. Low cost, by the way. He's really for free. I'll do it completely for free. First three I'll help completely for free because

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Unknown
it's really not that hard. You probably just have never had someone say, hey, try these 2 or 3 things,

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Unknown
so it won't take a lot of work for me to say that.

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Unknown
Why can't you just say those things now instead of saving it for the special? Because we have said it. We've said it a million times. Shoulder tapping ways to do it on the platform. Relationships outside of church, like we've said it a million times. So for someone to call me and take 30 minutes of my time, I can say, hey, here's how you shoulder tap.

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Unknown
Here's how you, you know, like, I'm not going to keep away for free on the podcast. Okay? I thought you were not going to charge them though. That's directly. That's what I want. Okay.

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Unknown
I'm kidding. That's really funny. Yeah, I, I, I sent a lot of cynicism from people. Often when we talk about this,

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Unknown
it's like, well, yeah, I need more volunteers, but, like, they're not there, man. I've been in this church for a long time. I know who's in our church. There's nobody there.

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Unknown
And there might be truth to that. You think so? I wrestle with that sometimes. I know, I know, but there might be truth to that. I mean, you're talking. Let's say someone's listening, and there's 100 people that go to their church and they love MxU and they're like, I'm good at where I'm at. I think I serve a great church.

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Unknown
We have four people on our team, and we're a church made up by ten families. And those ten families I know all personally because we're we're unique group of people and we love more people to come to our church. We're praying for that. But for whatever reason, in this season, we have a hundred people and we're all split by ten families.

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Unknown
And I know all ten of those families. I know the the Johnsons are all tied up in kids ministry. I mean, that might be legitimate. Like there is no one here to hit spacebar for me. That might be true. Yeah. So strategy changes. Yeah. So let's address let's address that expression of church really quick because it's it's a it's a pain point I see often in that expression of church.

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Unknown
When I say expression of church, I mean, you know, 50-100 people, maybe even up to 200 people, but like, you could reasonably like, know the names of everybody in your church. Yeah, right. Which is way more common than not 100%. So that's why I want to address that first.

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Unknown
Sometimes the issue might be you need too many volunteers, but I want to give you another solution. If you're like, no, I've, I know everyone in. None of them can play drums, none of them can do this task. So on and so forth. You might need to scale back your operation, what you're doing, and there's a lot of pastors out there that are not willing to do that.

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Unknown
For the record. Yeah, 100% because they want to they want to go what they've seen. Yeah. And because we can we can script this whole thing out. Right. Pastors like, no, I want high energy worship. I'm a huge fan of Steven Furtick and everything they do. And I want to do exactly how they do it. Whatever. Yeah, I sound dismissive because I'm slightly dismissive of that, I think.

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Unknown
I don't think it's a wise approach to just try to go replicate whatever other church down the street is doing, but I get it. You're faced with that. Your pastor said, I want this. And he said, I don't have anybody. And then that's how people end up paying people, right? Pastors like, let me put my business hat on how much money you need to solve this.

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Unknown
Yeah, surely there's somebody at the university who plays or I don't know, I was at the I was at the bar the other night. There was a guy playing. How about we get him, right? Like, I don't know, I, I see I see that happening a lot. So if you're in that situation, do we even try to solve that?

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Unknown
We just say like, hey, we're not going to give you the right advice because your leader is in a different page than us. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. Like, I wouldn't it's hard because then you start. Yeah. People start going, well, maybe I need to leave. Yeah. And that might not be the. That might not be it. But you said something like, let's just be the bigger and better church right down the road.

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Unknown
Yeah, I think volunteers can sense that. And they'll go, well, if you're just trying to be that, then I'll just go do that. Yeah, yeah, that's a whole other episode, which we've actually we've I think we recorded multiple episodes talking about that. But yeah. So in that situation, let's just say your pastor does allow and this is, this is truly like you have the ability to do this, like scale back the operation, don't have a full band, maybe try to consolidate some of your technical roles.

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Unknown
Maybe you don't need to be having three camera operators. Yeah, maybe I just I think there are multiple ways that we could execute Sunday service, and we could we could take what once needed to be a 15 person operation down to a five person operation in the Spirit of God could move more than ever in that five person operation.

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Unknown
And the the gospel could be taught and exhorted it like it all could still happen in that different expression. And so you might need to hear that person listening, like maybe you just need to scale back. Yeah. Now let's jump to a different environment that has, let's just say a thousand people in their congregation and up right where, like, it's pretty unrealistic to expect you to know everybody's name in the congregation.

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Unknown
You don't know who was there and who wasn't there on Sunday, just by the sheer volume of people attending your church, you are one volunteer away from capsizing.

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Unknown
How do we solve that? Because it's no longer an issue of I don't have I don't have the resource in my community. The people aren't there. Like, you just don't know that. Yeah. I don't care how many times you say it to me. You don't know. I don't believe you. There could be a guy in there who.

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Unknown
Professional drummer his entire life and just doesn't, doesn't want you to know it. How do you. How is it? Yeah. How do you go? How do you go get that guy?

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Unknown
How do you go get the the person who does freelance audio in your congregation, but they just do they really want to do the thing they do for a living on Sunday too?

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Unknown
they don't realize how desperate you are for somebody to help in audio, like, how do we go get those people?

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Unknown
I mean, they need to realize if we're a church of this size and we're all super close and personal, nobody was we've said this before. Nobody was jumping onto the Titanic as it was sinking. They were jumping off of it. So nobody wants to jump on boat that's going under. So you don't ever want to recruit to a, “we have to have you.”

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Unknown
We're failing. We need you because we're we're going under. Well, why am I going to jump on if we're going under? That makes no sense. But when we remember the core of serving the church, we want you to come serve because of what you can experience. I don't care how good of an audio engineer you are. We're we have three people on stage.

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Unknown
We have keys and a bass player and the acoustic and keys player, they sing. I mean, it is what it is like. We don't need a you know, we don't need a Phil Bledsoe. Yeah. It's we just don't. Yeah. So it's like I don't care how good you are I need someone to come in because I want you to experience life change through serving the local church.

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Unknown
Yeah. And then as that relationship starts, whether it be a pastor saying that from stage or a, a five person worship night gathering, that you've challenged everyone to bring someone they know from church who isn't currently serving. Maybe let's say there's a handful of people not serving, but you know them. You bring them and you're like, I don't care how good you are at ProPresenter.

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Unknown
Well, what is ProPresenter, right. It's just like, it doesn't matter. Like I want you to come experience because I know what God can do through serving the local church. Yeah. The the the the when it comes to serving the the win is only ever life change. It is never to make our show better. Yeah, it just isn't.

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Unknown
Yeah. And we've missed the mark there. So we we think recruit for need recruit for need recruit for need. What if I miss that one person? What if that one person doesn't show up? Recruit for need I need more, I need more, I need more, but you don't need more to make your show better. You need more because God has called us to lead people sometimes through acts of serving.

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Unknown
Because God needs to reach that person through serving his church. Yeah, I think you said something really key there. You said a lot. Most of it was really good. I think the he looks over, it wasn't a lot. No. Was that a lot Hayden? No, Hayden's agreeing with you a lot more today. I thought he was a lot like it was.

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Unknown
When I say a lot, I mean like it was loaded. It was. It wasn't long. It was wisdom. So there was a there was a depth of wisdom in what you said it was. Well, Hayden's going to clip that for me and I'm going to post it on my own Instagram and not tag you.

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Unknown
That's hilarious.

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Unknown
What I was going to say was, and it stuck out to me.

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Unknown
Community. I just think for myself, how did I get involved in worship ministry in the church? It was actually because it was through the friendships that I had built. You know, I got involved at an early age, which that's a whole other episode we've talked about before. We'll probably do more in the future. But like, you need people like go, go find your young people.

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Unknown
They want to be a part of stuff like, and they got the time to learn and it could change their life like it changed mine. Right? I had no idea what I wanted to do. And somebody, somebody provided community to me. Yeah, they got more than just time, right? Real fast. They got also the brain capacity. They're not stressed like an adult is.

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Unknown
So hey, go learn this. No problem. I'm not sure. I was not gonna pay my bills. Yep. My small group leader, Caleb, in middle school. He was, I think, at the time, like a worship intern at the church. We all looked up to him and turns out me and my buddies in my small group, like we wanted to get into music like we were so I, I, and my family was kind of into music.

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Unknown
And so I was like, oh, I want to play drums. Like I just gravitated towards that. Right? And but it started from this relationship of like, I want to I like being around that person. I want to be around them more. And I think that that's something we've lost in worship and tech ministry, and we're talking about bringing new volunteers in our network of people, the community that we've built, especially in that larger 1000 plus person church.

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Unknown
We start to have these little micro communities within the church, right? Just natural. Like you're not going to know everybody through your small group, your community. You start to meet new people. You understand when you have conversations with them, you get to know their families. You understand their gifts and talents. Oh, my cousin, my cousin plays guitar.

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Unknown
Oh, where does your cousin go? To church? Yeah, he's actually been kind of searching for churches. Oh my gosh. Well, like, I'd love to meet with him. Not just because I want a guitar player, but because also I want more people to join our church. And yeah, would it be nice if they were a guitar player? That'd be awesome.

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Unknown
It's actually what I've been asking God for every every night. So like, it's those types of interactions where you can really start and then you go find that person, they're like, oh yeah, dude, I played I actually play in this band and I know such and such. And he actually just came to the Lord and he's like, those are the stories we all know and here in doing ministry.

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Unknown
But those stories, we can't tell those stories if we don't get out there and meet people in, in commune with people. Right. And so I think it really is we can make announcements. You know, there's always the pre-service videos you can do. Oh. Join our worship team. And I'm sure you'll get probably ten vocalists that want to join your team that day.

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Unknown
Right. It just it always happens. You're like, come join our worship team. You're like, oh, sweet. I just went from 20 background vocalists to 30 background vocalists this weekend. Awesome. Like. And you get discouraged by that and you're like, oh, there's just nobody out there. Go get go get with the people and use the people that you already have as gasoline on that fire.

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Unknown
Hey, who do you know who? Sometimes people just don't know. I think you said that already. Like, they just don't even know. They don't know that there's a need. The volunteers on your team don't know. Yeah. They're like, hey, when I'm here, I'm here. And it's. Things seem to be people. People can sit down and listen inside of a church and go, this is awesome.

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Unknown
This seems to figure it out. Yeah. And the leaders are just crumbled on the inside because they're like, man.

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Unknown
They don't know what they don't know. Like the leaders going, if one of these people back out, that's what you think is awesome goes away. And that person, because they don't understand volunteerism, they don't understand what it's like to volunteer or they don't know that's a that's a real threat. Yeah. So tell them how those conversations with them.

00:20:28:01 - 00:20:53:14
Unknown
Yeah I don't. Not that hard. Yeah. Just do it. Just do it. Yeah. So I think we've outlined two pretty. Are we missing anything in that. Like I, I, I don't want to be incomplete in our diagnosis of why they might be. Yeah. I feel like we've we've touched on two different church expressions, church sizes, which sometimes we haven't done the best of job, but we understand that the tensions are different.

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Unknown
And those two environments, practical takeaways. This week. Somebody is like, yeah, you guys said a lot. That resonates with me. Not the most social person I don't know. I've still it's still not clear to me what I need to be doing. Let's assume there's many people in their church that they have yet to meet. What's like a few really practical takeaways?

00:21:17:17 - 00:21:41:16
Unknown
Don't forget the spiritual side of things. God's way bigger than your lack of volunteers, right? So don't forget that you said earlier I've been challenged before from leaders. Are you praying for what you need? God can answer those prayers specifically by title, by role, by position. Pray for it. And then also never, ever, ever let a volunteer hold you hostage.

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Unknown
Meaning? Well, if I don't come back, your service fails and I'm gonna. I'm going to use that to my advantage. See you. You're not going to hold hostage if you don't want to be here because you're not experiencing life change, or you don't believe in showing others, you know Jesus through your role and responsibilities and tasks, and then don't be here.

00:22:02:11 - 00:22:26:11
Unknown
You're not going to hold us hostage. God's bigger than all of that spiritual side things A, B. You've got to have a strategy for your weekend teams. Your weekend is by far the largest funnel to your church of getting involved. The weekend is the biggest door. If you don't have a strategy for the biggest door, this is marketing 101.

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Unknown
If you don't have a strategy, how to get people or to retain them at the biggest opportunity of your brand, organization, company, church, then you are never going to accomplish this. Have a strategy in the weekend. What is that strategy? Is it for the next? Is it sitting your pastor down going? You may or may not know this.

00:22:47:01 - 00:23:08:12
Unknown
If you don't have systems and data that flow in and out of where we're at as a church, but we are lacking in volunteers big time. Can we do a two week sermon series on serving the local church? And I'm going to bring to you pastor ideas on when you're preaching about it. We're going to be in the lobby with balloons and tents and donuts, and we're going to bring people to an area.

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Unknown
I don't know, I'm just coming up with ideas. Yeah. Why are you smiling? Balloons and tents is fun. Yeah. I'm. I'm because it's attention grabber. When I show up, it's like, well, what is that? And then pastor from stage is going to go, hey, we'd love to meet you at the donut wall, or we'd love to meet you at – very unsanitary, by the way.

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Unknown
Sure. We'd love to meet you. You know, just wear a mask. We'd love to meet you over here. Yeah, like we'd love to. We love. I bring attention to the need people don't know. You got to tell them. Yeah. You know, we're on a podcast. We know church work we talk about all the time. Yeah, we're 1% of people.

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Unknown
Less than 1% of people. Majority of people even that work at churches. Yeah. Don't know a ton. So we can't expect anybody out in the audience, in the crowd, the congregation to know. Yeah. So we gotta bring awareness to it. Yeah. Shoulder tapping I mean keep going. Good takeaways, shoulder tapping. I always love when you say shoulder tapping.

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Unknown
I don't know why. It's just it's it's. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. You know, you look like you played in ZZ Top. Yeah, yeah. Shoulder tapping is not the actual physical of tapping the shoulder, just so people know. I mean, you could go do that this weekend. If you'd like. Let us know how it goes.

00:24:20:00 - 00:24:37:05
Unknown
Well, now you have to tell them what shoulder tapping is. It's just conversations in the lobby. Yes. Okay. You know, there you go. You know, you. Yeah, I would kind of expand. Not conversations in the green room. I didn't say that. Yes, exactly. I would expand and just say.

00:24:37:07 - 00:24:52:14
Unknown
Spread the load. Don't take it all on yourself. Let the other key leaders in your ministry, maybe you've identified some key leaders who've been around for a while. Maybe you have some other people who are more relational than you are. It's like, I need your help in your small groups. You hear something? I'm praying for this. Would you pray for it with me?

00:24:52:14 - 00:25:11:06
Unknown
And if you see, see something. But maybe when you ask, you better be ready for the tide of people that do come in. So, like, be careful what you ask for. You're going to all of a sudden you're not going to have a volunteer count issue. You're going to have a training issue. Yeah. All of a sudden you're gonna have a retention issue because you're struggling to care for all the people that God has brought your way.

00:25:11:06 - 00:25:35:20
Unknown
So be prepared. In that vein, if you are in need of systems or tools to train your team, get people the right place at the right time. Communicate. Create camaraderie amongst your team. MxU is built for all of that will help you train your team. Plan your services. Execute the weekend. There's a ton behind the platform. We won't get into all of it today.

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Unknown
If you want to learn more, you can actually you can book a call with somebody on our team. We'll get on a call with you and show you the platform. Show you how it can make a meaningful impact in your ministry. You can also learn more about what MxU does. We'll put the link to our website in the description of this video as well.

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