The MxU Podcast

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We're going to get nerdy here.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

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Let's talk about pre-service checklists.

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Where are you?

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Where are you going?

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You're leaving already?

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Oh, we got his shorts on camera.

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Dude, we got to go tan. We gotta go.

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I know.

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I got my short gym shorts on.

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I'm doing you a favor
by putting my phone away.

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I actually really appreciated that.

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I don't think churches are.

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Documenting really much of,
like, weekend process.

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How much are you seeing of that?

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Re ask that question.

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You don't think churches are documenting.

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We aren’t
really documenting our processes?

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Oh, right right right right.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah. No not a chance.

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It's not happening. There's some.

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Yeah there's some those
that are like the more process oriented.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But more often than I find it's, it's
just like

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the process is in our heads as leaders.

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We tell people we either do it
before people show up into the room,

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whether the process is to turn on PJs or,
you know,

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get front of house, show file loaded.

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Yeah, patch sheet, whatever.

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Like every, every church
is going to have their own processes.

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But it seems like these we just kind of
have those key volunteers that know

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and then those that don't, we just kind of
fill in the gaps when needed.

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And so I'd love to talk about this
will be more of a tactical discussion.

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For those of you listening,
might get a little geeky, but like,

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yeah, how should we

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how should we be thinking about these
like pre-service checklists?

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The the tasks that need to get done
before the weekend happens?

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Probably aren't going to get into like,
every single role.

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Like to to that level.

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Because frankly,
you and I aren't lighting guys.

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We shouldn't be telling lighting people
what to do before service, right?

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More like how to administer
and plan out these systems.

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Yeah, right.

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Well yes.

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The, the the win though would be that
people would understand

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why they are needed versus
then just doing it.

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Yeah. Right.

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So it's like why
why would a lighting engineer.

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Designer. Lighting op. Yeah.

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Volunteer. Part time. Staff.

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Doesn't matter. Intern.

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Why do I need a checklist? Yeah. What?

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What does it matter?

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Why does a stage manager.

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Why does a worship leader.

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Why does a audio engineer.

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Why do we need the checklist?

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If you can't get them to understand
the why?

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Never in a chance would someone add
an extra task to their plate.

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Right. I'm thankful

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that sometimes I

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hear my pilots on my plane
come across and go,

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hey, we're just tied up a little bit
on some paperwork

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and going through our checklist
before we take off.

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Because they understand the why.

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Because it's like as a pilot sits down
and they look through all of

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their checklist to make sure that plane
they've flown four times that day.

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They got to restart every time.

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Right. So.

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And that can feel mundane to some.

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They're like
oh I'm better than a checklist. Yeah.

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It sounds
it sounds like monkey work. Of course.

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Of course it's it's this podcast.

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We know that Hayden's got to turn on
cameras, make sure everything's set up.

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The lighting looks well.

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It's mundane, like it's it's routine.

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It's what we do in our roles and our jobs
and when we volunteer.

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So it's it's it's,
and I do it every Sunday.

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But having one is only a

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major help and resource
to making sure that nothing is missed.

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Yeah.
And what is wrong with that? Yeah. Well.

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And how often in this community
are we talking about lynch pins?

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I can't take a vacation,
my volunteers just don't.

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I can't rely on them.

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You know, we can go down the line.
That is.

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I don't want to sound dramatic,
but that that does tend to be

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a headline in our community. Yeah, right.

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And so how do we combat that vicious cycle

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through processes and like, dare
I say, some documentation?

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Yeah. And clarity for our volunteers.

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But yeah, I think you're right.
They have to understand the why.

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Well,
we as leaders need to understand the why.

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I think that's actually
the bigger issue here is

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like we as leaders need to understand
why this is so important.

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Then also volunteers need to understand
like because sometimes maybe people like,

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yeah, I do have systems, but my volunteers
are resistant to the systems.

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It it might be some work
up front, but it only makes

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your role

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and responsibilities
as a leader or a key OP.

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Yeah.

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And I hate to use the word easy,
but easier.

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Because if I'm sitting down
and my as a worship leader

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or someone that maybe be in leading a team
or in charge over

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production, worship, creative, whatever,
and I get a text message from a pastor

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or pastors assistant and says, “Hey,
we misspelled

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Galatians.”

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Well, I'm like, well,
that could have been prevented.

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Only if my ProPresenter op had a checklist
that said, please,

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before we go into service – before doors –
make sure all the lyrics are spelled

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correctly
and all the Pastor’s slides are spelled

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correctly on a checklist
that he's or she's going to check.

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Yeah. So I know immediately.

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Well how in the world
did we misspell Galatians?

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We have a checklist.

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I'm going to go back to that checklist
that that volunteer

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would have checked off.

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Can you spell Galatians really by the way?

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G A L A T I A N S.

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Okay, cool. I just want to make sure.

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We were talking about reading our Bibles
before this.

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I want to make sure you actually.

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Yeah.

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Well,
I wasn't talking about me reading my Bible

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and but so I'm gonna go back to check list
and go,

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oh, well,
that they actually didn't check that box.

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Yeah.

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So I know for a fact
no one checked to make sure. Job.

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Job. Can you spell Job?

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Was spelled correctly, right?

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So. Yeah.

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Yeah. That's.

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It sounds so mundane, but we.

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I just talked to a pastor
this morning. He was like,

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dude,

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we just had a train wreck of a weekend,
and it wasn't like

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the power went out or the ceiling
fell through, you know, like that.

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What do we think of, like, train wrecks
or like something really bad happened?

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No, it's just little stuff like you
just like you just described,

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like slides, spelling errors,
like so-and-so didn't show up.

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Yeah.

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And this thing happened, like,
all these very avoidable mistakes.

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Yeah. He's like. And that's
what was most frustrating. Yeah.

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And on practical again
like on a checklist like lighting.

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So what. Okay. So what checklist
would you guys put on for a lighting guy.

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We're not lighting guys
so we can't speak into lighting guys.

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I would say have you connected
with whoever chooses the worship

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backgrounds to make sure that your lights
and worship colors are matching?

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Yeah. Before doors.

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Yeah. Like, how hard is it?

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Because as a designer, I could sit down
and go, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom boom.

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Punch out all this,
punch this out, punch that out.

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And it looks great
from the lighting standpoint. But then,

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you know, Resolume or ProPresenter
or D3 whatever you got.

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They’re throwing up an orange background
and you're shooting for a purple

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or whatever.

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Orange purple is actually not a bad
look together, but you know what I mean?

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Like just we're not lined up.

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That's an easy checklist thing, right?

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Do all your front wash fixtures work
or you dialed in, are your gobos focused?

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This. That. This.

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You know what? What what? Yeah.

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Doesn’t hurt!

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Let's not let's not forget
that checklists can help you

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build and maintain culture as well.

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So for a front of house
audio guy on that checklist, for me

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it would be like make sure you've greeted
everybody in on stage.

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Like go up, walk in front of them
like say hey, meet new people like.

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So these could even be people
oriented tasks that need to happen

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because sometimes we're just thinking,
oh yeah, I gotta patch sheet label,

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label channels on my show file,
whatever it may be in your environment.

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But we forget even about the people stuff

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sometimes on our checklist for producers,
it's like coordination

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with with ushers, right about doors
or whatever.

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It's coordination with,

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you know, pastor for backstage manager,
maybe like there's there's

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all of these communication points
that need to happen on the weekend

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to, oh, I forgot to have that conversation
with so-and-so.

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Yeah.

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These things are easy to document.

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They happen every single weekend.

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And so let's talk about like, leaders
for a second.

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Because leader listening to this,

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you can already imagine all the various
things that need to get done

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for the serve positions
that you have on the weekend.

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But like, what about for our leaders?

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What's on their checklist for the weekend?

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Something that I've

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become really passionate about lately
because I was assuming this was obvious,

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but I'm seeing it more
and more as I'm helping churches.

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Like,

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why are

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why are we not praying before rehearsal?

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And they're like, I'm
not going to put prayer on a checklist.

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It's like, well,
you keep forgetting to do it.

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Yeah. Why are you not
why are we not doing it?

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Like and maybe it's
not like an issue of faithfulness,

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but it is this forgetfulness.

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You're like,
oh, I just got caught up in the thing.

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And so I forgot to lead our team through
a time of prayer before we rehearse

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together.

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Is that crazy to say?

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Yeah, it really is.

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Yeah.

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Like,
how dare we put prayer on a checklist?

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I don't know,
but I'm just thinking for the leader.

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Like we're forgetting some of the things
that we were responsible for on a weekend.

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If you, as a leader in the church
space are forgetting prayer.

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What are you not forgetting?

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Or what are you forgetting?

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Is that.

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Is that what you mean?

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No. What?
What are your priorities? Is my question.

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Yeah.

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If you're if you're forgetting prayer.

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Out of all the years.

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Don't get so boxy, though. It's happening
and people are doing.

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I know it's happening, but
what I'm saying is you've done it before.

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I guarantee you you've done it once.

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Absolutely. Yeah. As have I.

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But what I'm saying is

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don't forget that. Yeah.

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That's the one that you don't forget.
Yeah.

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You don't forget that
because you're not looking at checklists.

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You don't forget that

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because you are ceasing without prayer
like you are or praying without ceasing.

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You are.

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You are a leader
that has been called by God who has the

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spiritual awareness to lead that team.

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Yeah. The only thing we have is prayer.

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Don't forget prayer. I'm not trying
preaching, but.

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Well, I think it's.

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Put it on a checklist, I don't care.

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Yeah, sure.

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I'm saying we gotta hold ourselves
as leaders accountable.

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That's the point I'm trying to make. Yeah.

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You may think, oh, that's natural for me,
I do that.

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Yeah, I do that every week.

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Okay, what if you're gone
and you need to equip

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another person on your team
to lead that weekend, right?

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Hey, man, here's my checklist.

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Here's the thing that I make sure. Hell
or high water.

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I'm doing it. Yeah.

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We make sure we pray.
We make sure we meet. We do this.

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We go through Planning Center.

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And like,
this isn't a matter of checking a box.

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This is a matter of accountability.

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Because this is so important to me. Yeah.

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And that leader
checklist should change. Why?

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Because it should change
on which direction the church is headed.

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So maybe my leader is saying,
hey, we need to up our volunteerism.

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We need to up volunteer recruitment.

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So on my checklist for the next eight
weeks is going to be three

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new touches, three new contacts. Right.

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And so that that checklist for the leader

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should be changing based off
where their leader is taking.

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You know that you know, the the mission
or the or the strategy of the church

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in the moment.

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A lot less maybe technical,
you know, like an LD or an audio engineer.

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Yeah. But absolutely.

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You know,
something else on the leadership

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checklist should be making sure
all positions have checklists.

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I mean, like, yeah.

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Does everybody have the resources
they need?

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Do they have their checklist?

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Do they maybe at the bottom
of their checklist it says, “go

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around to all the stations and work areas
and making sure you see,”

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if you want to take checklists
to the extreme, ,”making sure you see

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initials and signatures
by those daily line items.” Yeah.

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You know, I've been in part of church
that did that.

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Yeah, it's pretty effective.

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You know, at Bayside at all of our multi

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sites for audio, something that was like

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one of the most important
things on a checklist was gain structure.

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And it was so important that it was
actually on the worship leaders checklist

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to make sure that it got done. Yeah.

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And or you know, at some campuses,
like the producer, the person

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who's really ultimately responsible
for rehearsal and all that going well.

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And it was it was the first question
before any anybody did anything.

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“Hey, can we go ahead and get gains
really quick, like, because if we don't

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do that, this whole rehearsal
is going to be in shambles.”

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Like, we're going to be making in
ear requests the whole time.

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Yeah. It slows everything
down, right? Yeah.

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So it's like finding important things
like that

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in our culture and DNA and how we execute.

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If gain structure is not important to your
church, you're probably doing it wrong.

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I’ll give you that pro tip, but like,
there's going to be certain things

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that are unique to your organization
that are just incredibly important.

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And having those things documented

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so that you can take a vacation.

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So that your volunteers
can take a vacation,

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so that when that one volunteer who's
going through really hard time in life

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has to take a couple months off,

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you can be excited to pastor them

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through that instead of being so pissed
that you lost your linchpin.

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Yeah. Like, no. It's okay. Yeah, it's
all right.

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We're going to do okay without you.
We got this documentation.

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Also equip your people
to help you with these processes.

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So some some people are similar to you
and I Dillan, where they're like, “Yeah,

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I know lighting, but like,
could I create a checklist for lighting

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that's like really what it needs
to be?” Probably not.

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Right.

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And so what happens
is it just doesn't happen.

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So how do we bring in

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some of our key volunteers
into this process as well?

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Yeah. Go. Hey, help me do that.

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And that's a good move for leadership
anyways because it brings in ownership,

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buy in. Yeah.

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Then they'll help you lead
other people accountable for checklists

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because they,
they put time and effort towards it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Let's talk about the mechanics here. Like

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I've seen a lot of printed out
sheets around the sanctuary.

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I mean,
how have you done this in the past?

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I will talk about MxU in a second
because we have a gangster way

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to track checklists
that I want to talk about and

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and tell you about, but, like,
how have you done this in the past?

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Yeah.

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I mean, simplest ground level,

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the simplest traditional would be,
would be a clipboard and paper.

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Yeah. And it's the same sheet printed off,
you know, a stack of 100.

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And you just checklist for each position.

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Right. What that does is that creates,

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more work.

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Yeah. You know, preparation for that.

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And then
what are we gonna do with the paper?

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Right. Like,
where's it go? Do we want to print paper?

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Do we want to?
Do we want to physically write.

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I was doing a church visit
a couple years ago,

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and they had a QR code at every station.

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So they would scan the QR code,
and it would be a digital checklist.

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And that checklist

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would just auto dump to their wherever,
you know, they're data collecting.

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So yeah.

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So you can go traditional route paper,
which I have no problem with.

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You go all the way digitally to,
a QR code at station, which is slick.

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It looks good.
They framed it up at every station.

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“Hey, thanks for serving.” “Don't forget.

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Scan the QR code to check in or to process

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through your checklist.” And then also.

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Yeah. MxU.

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Yeah.

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Well so I don't think
I've even told you about this.

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So in you now you can track all your tasks

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and checklists
like people oriented or system oriented.

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We actually built out this

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the functionality to obviously
you can have your repeat checklist.

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So you have your audio checklist.

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However maybe you got a dozen checklists.

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You can house them all in.

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You have them repeat
and then have them automatically assigned

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to the person who's scheduled
in Planning Center for that position.

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So through the Planning Center integration
you maybe you have that audio checklist

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get assigned at Sunday at 7 a.m.

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and I'm serving in audio.

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I get a push notification.

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Hey here's your checklist. Click on it.

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I can go through
click through those items.

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You, as my leader, can see exactly
the time that I completed those items

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and be able to ultimately hold
the whole team accountable in one place.

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You're not going around

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chasing paper you're not worrying about,
but it's like automatic.

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Turnkey. We're super pumped about it.

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This has been like a really strangely
hot topic with churches lately.

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They're just like,
how do I manage these weekend processes?

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And being able to do this in
an automated way and be able to digitize.

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I mean, come on, we're in 2026
printing out paper.

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Yeah, I know for
checklists is a little bit ridiculous.

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I know so but but but must not neglect

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the fact that there are still
thousands of churches that

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it would just be easier to print paper.

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Well, and what we find is that
a lot of people will have the paper there.

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You can see it like the tape.

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Yeah, around the edges.

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And it's just there
and no one's actually checking it off.

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It's almost like a reminders list.

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But again accountability. Right.

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Because how many times
I hear this all the time.

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Oh yeah. “We normally do that.

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We just we just didn't do it today.”
A reminder list is better than nothing,

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but it still is not accomplishing
what it exists for.

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Let's go back to you

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talking about airline pilots,
highly paid, skilled professionals. Yes.

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With lives on the line. Yeah.

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You could say, oh, well,
it's just, you know,

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bunch of red tape, cause Delta Airlines
micromanaging their pilots or whatever.

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No. Like,
even I have a friend who's a private pilot

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and he's like, no, I take pride in like,
my job.

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And I also know that I'm human and
I forget that, no, like, I need to be able

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to have accountability here
and know exactly when this thing got done.

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I don't know why
I ran across this yesterday.

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TikTok, of course, but Chernobyl.

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Is that not a thing.

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We don't do that anymore or something?

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No, I just, I, I didn't realize
I thought that was a little young for you.

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Oh really what what's the age range? Just.

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Hayden. What's the age range for TikTok?

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Yeah, like like as a 38 year old dude,
I shouldn’t be on TikTok?

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No, I feel it's very wide range.

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Okay.

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It's more prevalent
20 to 30 year old, but.

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Yeah. My grandmother is on TikTok.

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Dude, I was laughing so hard
last night on TikTok.

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Your grandma's on TikTok,
but your grandma is a little hip, though.

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She's a little – my grandma’s dead.

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38 year old, you know.

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And Chernobyl in Ukraine.

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The fallen out, the nuclear fallout,

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lack of checklist.

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They did not go through their checklist.

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It was human error and a checklist.

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Failure is what led to that disaster.

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So if you're listening to this,
you're heading down a road of straight

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nuclear fallout.

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Contamination in your ministry
for hundreds of years.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But checklists are important.

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It's not just it's it's not just for the

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the delta pilot
or the nuclear scientist. It's

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it's you say nuclear.

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Nuclear.

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How would you say it? Nuclear.

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That's that's what I said.

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Nuclear.

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Nuclear.

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Is that better?

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Nuclear.

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That's how you said it.

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Oh, man.

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I just realized you
and I both are wearing integration hats.

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I know, I thought the same thing.

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It's like earlier I was like,
battle of the integration companies.

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I love it.

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Yeah, neither of us are integrators,
but we we like the good ones.

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Yeah, the good ones are just their worth.

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I love this
mainly because I like this hat,

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but also Summit Integrated does good work
and many integrators,

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you've heard us say,
many integrators don't do good work.

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So yeah. Yeah.

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That's
how you know which integrator to go with.

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Just if you ever see
a hat of the integrator on the MxU

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podcast, there you go.

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I really like this hat.

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Yeah. Amplio Systems.
I stole it from here.

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Oh, really? Yeah.

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Well, that's the thing.

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See, they send us hats,
so we got a bunch of hats

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they know, like, okay,
if we send MxU a hat.

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Smart.

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So far, it's just Churchfront,
Amplio, and Summit.

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Yeah, but hopefully we'll get some more.

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Now we will. Yeah, yeah. For sure.

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Please.

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Well, hey,
thanks for joining us on the MxU podcast.

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Hopefully this has been helpful discussion
for you.

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If you want to learn more,
even just about like MQ checklists

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and how that can help your ministry,
there's a link in the description below.

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Would love to meet with you.

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Show you a little bit more in depth
of how how it could work and serve

00:21:05:08 - 00:21:06:12
you and your team.

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Yeah. Thanks for joining us.

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We'll see you next time on the podcast.